The Evolution Deceit
Excerpt from Mr. Adnan Oktar's live interview on A9 TV dated October 10th, 2011
OKTAR BABUNA: Good afternoon our dear viewers. We are continuing with our program. We have very important guests in our program. We have Rabbi Haim [Meir] Drukman from Israel. He is an Orthodox Rabbi and a former politician, he is the former Vice-Minister of Religious Affairs. He has previously worked in Knesset [for 25 years] and he is also the dean of a religious academy [Yeshivat Or Etzion]. We have Rabbi David Stav with us. Rabbi David Stav is the founder and the Chairman of the religious Tzohar Rabbinical Organization in Israel and he is the Chairman of the Hesder Yeshiva Academy in Petach Tikva. We also have Rabbi Rafael Feurstein together with us. He also is one of the founder rabbis of the religious Tzohar Rabbinical Organization. He has been assigned as the Rabbi of the national religious community in Jerusalem [for the last 10 years]. He also attends conferences [as a lecturer] very frequently. Yes Master, insha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes, I say welcome to our guests. They all are very much welcomed, they've honored us, they've brought us grace.
We embrace you all with compassion and affection as the children of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh), as the children of the Prophet Israel (pbuh). We do not accept any kind of danger that would come upon you in any shape or form and we state that we are in a line of conduct that protects you and that shows you compassion to the best of our ability in the face of any danger.
RABBI HAIM DRUKMAN: Thank you very much..
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha'Allah, Masha'Allah.. These transient tensions, these transient situations which might seem as if there is a trouble are not at all important. Our point of view as a nation is very important. As the Turkish Nation we compassionately love Jews, the children of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). We protect you and watch over you. We have shown this before in the Ottoman times. We have taken you and brought you from Spain and welcomed you in our most beautiful city, in Istanbul in the most beautiful manner. Also at the time of our Prophet (saas), our Prophet (saas) used to take off his frock and place it under the Jews for them to sit on. He used to converse with them. He showed them compassion. One of the wives of our Prophet (saas) was of Jewish origin, as you know, insha'Allah. It is also clearly stated in the Qur'an that we can marry Jewish women, that we can take the hands of Jewish women in marriage and that we can eat their meals and that we can make a visit to their homes.
Furthermore your inhabiting in Israel [is also mentioned].. Look in the Qur'an in the 104th verse of Surat Al-Isra, Almighty Allah says; I seek refuge with Allah from the satan; "We said to the Children of Israel after that, 'Inhabit the land and, when the promise of the Next World comes, We will produce you as a motley crowd'."
So that means the Children of Israel will reside in that region. That is their homeland. Their existence in that region and their residing there is a fact that the Qur'an refers to us.
According to our belief, we are insha'Allah at the time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), at the time of the Prophet Messiah (pbuh), the time of the King Moschiah, at the time of Shiloh. We have entered to an age of peace and well-being in the whole region, in the whole world. In this age of peace and well-being all the weapons will be annihilated. The bloodshed would stop completely. That is an explicit command of our Prophet (saas). That is something clearly mentioned in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas). Not even the noses of people would ever bleed. Not a single drop of blood would be shed, says our Prophet (saas). This is a beauty of the time of the King Moshiach- that is the time of the Mahdi. There will be an environment of pleasantness in which an endless freedom and beauty, arts and science will dominate.
Yes, this is also explicitly explained in the Torah and it is also very clearly stated in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas).
Look for instance Jude, 1:24, "... The only God our Savior Who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy..."
Peace and justice reign supreme
"A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory. In His [Allah's] name the nations will put their hope." (Matthew, 12:20-21)
SADUN ENGIN: "How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity!" (Psalms, 133:1)
"For he [Solomon] ruled over all the kingdoms... and had peace on all sides." (1 Kings, 4:24)
"There is deceit in the hearts of those who plot evil, but joy for those who promote peace." (Proverbs, 12:20)
"Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it." (Psalms, 34:14)
"... Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?" (Malachi, 2:10)
"Consider the blameless, observe the upright; there is a future for the man of peace." (Psalms, 37:37)
"I am a man of peace; but when I speak, they are for war." (Psalms, 120:7)
"All the lands are at rest and at peace; they break into singing." (Isaiah, 14:7)
"Instead of bronze I will bring you gold, and silver in place of iron. Instead of wood I will bring you bronze, and iron in place of stones. I will make peace your governor and righteousness your ruler." (Isaiah, 60:17)
"... And the battle bow will be broken. He [your King] will proclaim peace to the nations..." (Zechariah, 9:10)
"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you." (Proverbs, 25:21-22)
"I am a friend to all who fear You, to all who follow Your precepts." (Psalms, 119:63)
".. Render true and sound judgment in your courts; do not plot evil against your neighbor... I hate all this," declares the Lord. Again the word of the Lord Almighty came to me. This is what the Lord Almighty says: '... Therefore love truth and peace.'" (Zechariah, 8:16-18)
"'May those who love you be secure. May there be peace within your walls and security within your citadels.' For the sake of my brothers and friends, I will say, 'Peace be within you.'" (Psalms, 122:6-8)
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, here the Mahdi and the Messiah are the same, they are the same person. As you know he is mentioned as the Shiloh in the Torah, he is also referred to as the Shiloh. In this age there will be an age of happiness, joy, plenitude and abundance. This is the End times, so the Last Day is imminent from this point on, there is no such a long period of time. Whatever will happen will happen in this time. We are going to ally with each other, as devout Christians, devout Jewish people and devout Muslims and form this togetherness insha'Allah.
The Turkish Islamic Union that will be formed is not a union that is based on arms, tanks and guns. It is a togetherness based on love, compassion, mercy, friendship, brotherhood, science and arts.
One of the beautiful results that would come out of this togetherness is the rebuilding of the Masjeed [Prayer House] of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) insha'Allah.
But of course, it is very important for the Muslims to pray, to pray to Allah to bring us together with the Mahdi and for the Jews to pray to Allah to send the King Messiah-Shiloh to us; it is very important that they sincerely make this prayer.
[Only] satan would benefit from unnecessary distrust and doubt. If the devout Christians, devout Jews and devout Muslims were to make an alliance, this matter would be instantly solved.
Insha'Allah. And that insha'Allah will be realized with the Turkish-Islamic Union. I mean the states will be independent. Israel will preserve its independent national character, so will other states. Only love, compassion, mercy and peace will prevail in this union. What are your opinions about the Turkish-Islamic Union in this respect?
RABBI RAFAEL FEURSTEIN:We are, first of all very honored to be here. To hear those peaceful words which are coming from your sources, from your holy books and to see such a leader like you, talking peace, dreaming all Moshiach times in such dark world which we are today, with so many evil things which happen, that is fresh air, that is the light of the sun in the dark night. And that is for us Rabbis, Jewish leaders from Israel- Rabbi Drukman is the main leader, and we.. that is a blessing and we thank you for the ability and the honor to be here and to listen from you. In our holy sources, in the Bible, you are right. You've mentioned so many many paragraphs which talk about Moshiach times, which will be peaceful, no wars, to take the weapons and make the metal from the weapons, from the swords and to make from them agricultural tools, that's our dream. That the wolf will play with the child, with the sheep. And as we mentioned, the child will put his hand on the hole of the snake, no fear, no blood. That's we share the dream, we share the vision, we are together, brothers.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, Masha'Allah.
RABBI RAFAEL FEURSTEIN:And for us, our Rabbi Moshe ben-Maimon, Rabbi Maimonides, he said from the Jewish point of view, from the Bible point of view, from the Torah point of view, he said the Islam and the Christianity will bring the world to the belief in One God [which] are the steps of Messiah. So that is the point where we are and we share.. We as Jewish leaders and from our sources it is not clear how will it be organized. We know as Mr. Oktar said that it will be independent Jewish life, and there will be independent countries and religions surrounding it, working together everyone in his way for the One God. That is the way we believe and we look for. And we know that when Messiah will come, he will organize the world, how will he organize the world, it is a mystery, we do not know. We cannot say this way and that way. We know to bring the Jews to the country, as you've said, it touches us.. We are holocaust survivors and you touched our hearts. You've touched our hearts with your deep and deep and humane and religious words. How will it be, what will be the way, what will be the political power? We do not know for us. We try to learn it in our sources, it's a mystery. He will decide. The Messiah as the Messenger, the Ambassador for the world will decide how to organize the world. We do not know exactly but we know one thing: The Messiah will bring us to live together to bring morality to the world, love to the world, a happiness to the world just as you've said in the best way.
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes, this is also how it is mentioned in the hadiths.. You go on please..
RABBI DAVID STAV:I would like to add a few things. I think that as Mr. Oktar has mentioned before, the history of the relationship between Jewish people and the Turkish people here in Istanbul and other places was so good. And we believe that a part of the process of bringing the King Moshiach to the world is to strengthen the relationship between all believers, to strengthen the love, the friendship between our people, between our religions and this will be a reason for Mashiach to come sooner, to come quicker. As it is written in one of the sources, the king Mashiach is here, is ready for us, it is not only that we are waiting for him, he is waiting for us. Once we'll be more united, once we'll love each other much more, once we will be more sensitive as we've just heard from Mr. Oktar, then he will come to us.
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes, this is also our belief. I also believe that the Mahdi has come. I believe that the King Messiah has come. Allah will insha'Allah grant us this beauty, this pleasant life. If we, as sincere believers hold tightly on to Almighty Allah, Allah will grant us this blessing insha'Allah.
RABBI HAIM DRUKMAN:We've heard such wonderful things which really come in order that human beings should live a nice life, a good life without weapons, without hatred, without [being] against each other. Why do we choose- we, human beings, we choose- to live the opposite of about this. The opposite.. We can choose as we have heard what the Torah says to us, how good can be such a life. What I think all of us are supposed to do, to explain that this is for our goodness, this is for our happiness in order that there should be no hating between one nation to the other. We've heard things from the Qur'an. We've heard things from the Torah. Why are the people doing such terrible things? Terrorism, killing each other.. It is terrible. All of us are supposed to do is to try to open the eyes of the human beings, to live the life that the Torah wants from us and to be much closer to Moshiach.
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes.. We also agree with all those you've said wholeheartedly of course. Devout Jews, devout Christians and devout Muslims will join forces and turn this world into a place like heaven insha'Allah. You can also give some examples from the hadiths, from the hadiths of our Prophet (saas)..
OKTAR BABUNA:This is about the hadiths of our Prophet (saas) about the environment of peace in the time of the Mahdi – Moshiach. Our Prophet (saas) says in the hadith;
"People will seek refuge in -the King Moschiah- Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) as honey bees cluster around their sovereign. He will fill the world that was once full of cruelty, with justice. His justice will be as such that he will not wake a sleeping person not even one drop of blood is shed. The earth will return to the age of happiness." (Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar)
"Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) -King Moshiach- will follow the way of the Prophet (saas). He will not wake up a sleeping person or no blood will be shed." (Portents of Doomsday)
"Hazrat Mahdi -King Moshiach- will be so compassionate that no one will be woken up from their sleep or have a bleeding nose." (Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar)
"Those obeying him [King Moshiach, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)] will pay homage to him between the Corner and the Maqam [around the Kaaba]. They will not waken a sleeping person and never shed blood." (Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar)
"The soldiers put down their weighs [so they've put down their weapons]." (Imam Sharani)
"The warriors will abandon their weight." (Sunan Ibn Majah)
"Mutual enmity and hatred will disappear. The world will be filled with peace as a container is filled with water. People will be in a complete agreement and only God will be worshiped, wars will seize." (Ibn Majah, Kitab al-Fitan)
"Like the cup fills with water, so will earth fill with peace. There will be no enmity left between any people. And all hostility, fighting, and envy will definitelydisappear." (Imam Sharani)
Our Prophet (saas) related that after -King Moshiach- Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) makes the morality of Islam dominate the earth, disorder, conflicts, violence, wars and injustice will come to an end. Our Prophet (saas) heralded the great changes that will be experienced in the world with -King Moshiach's- Hazrat Mahdi’s (pbuh) appearance thus:
"The world filled with oppression and tyranny will overflow with justice after he (King Moshiach, Hazrat Mahdi) comes." (Al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar)
"Mutual enmity and hatred will disappear. Every harmful animal will be made harmless, so that a small boy will be able to put his hand into a snake's mouth."
The hadith about the snake's mouth. That is the same reference [with the Torah], Master, Masha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, that is the same, it was the same as the hadith of our Prophet (saas).. Yes.
OKTAR BABUNA: ".. without being harmed, a small girl will be able to make a lion run away from her.." This is hadith..
ADNAN OKTAR:Our Prophet (saas) says this.
OKTAR BABUNA:".. and a wolf will go among sheep as if he were a sheepdog.The earth will be filled with peace as a container is filled with water. People will be in complete agreement, and only Allah will be worshipped. Wars will cease.." (Ibn Majah)
RABBI RAFAEL FEURSTEIN:Amen.
ADNAN OKTAR:Amen insha'Allah. We've come to this time. Let us put our trusts in Allah, let us hold on to Allah. Let us act together, we will altogether see Allah granting us this beauty insha'Allah. What does gentleman Rabbi [Drukman] think about the Turkish Islamic Union we have described? What are his opinions? What does he think?
RABBI HAIM DRUKMAN: Yes, I think it is wonderful. It's really amazing and I think that many more people should hear about it in order to understand the truth and to live practically in a good way, not the way that people live today.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha'Allah. Let us ask Rabbi [Stav].
RABBI DAVID STAV:We wait for King Messiah to come. We look forward for so many years and we trust that all believers will be united under the sovereignty of King Moshiach and he will unify all the people. And with God's help, and with our help, because God demands us to help him, to urge, to look forward and to do activities in order to promote the process of King Moshiach to come, with our assistance and according to the prophecies that were just mentioned now, and with the promise of God we believe that we all will be united under the kingdom of King Moshiach.
ADNAN OKTAR: If we are determined like this, we will see altogether that Allah is helping us.
Furthermore, the people of Israel should never think that the Turkish people harbor a rage in their hearts towards them. The Turkish government is having a big radar system that will protect Israel in Malatya. I mean this is specifically intended for Israel, it is intended to protect Israel. In the event that there will be a nuclear attack towards that region, this system which will inactivate the attack on the aerial domain of Turkey, I mean the airspace of that region, is being built. Even this alone is a clear evidence to show how compassionate Turkey's approach towards Israel is.
No matter what has been said, what is practiced is important. We do love you very much in practice.
RABBI DAVID STAV: Let me express one more statement, if I have time.
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes of course, please go ahead.
When I left Israel this morning to come to Istanbul, my children asked me , they were really concerned, they were afraid because of the tension there is in the media between the politicians. And they asked me if I am not afraid to come. And I answered to them; "Look I know that I am going to be surrounded with friends." And that is my feeling and I am sure that the vast majority of the people in Turkey and in Israel want to be friends and want to be under the same umbrella of believing in God and believing in hope, in believing Moshiach.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha'Allah. That is right. We also embraced you as our guests just like the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) did. Let your hearts be at ease. There will never be an animosity, a hostility in between Turkey and Israel in any shape or form. Let your hearts be at ease. And such an animosity will never exist until the Last Day insha'Allah.
RABBI RAFAEL FEURSTEIN: Amen.. That is.. just to come from Israel to hear your words, that is for us a present. We would like your voice -we want to bless you as Rabbis- that your voice will be empowered more and more and more.. Today tens of millions of people listen to you, we want hundreds of millions of people to listen to you. And to hear your wonderful words, wonderful vision which we share and we are sure that the friendship between Turkey and Israel is there. You do not take connections of so many years and just throw them: No way! We are brothers and we will stay brothers. And with leaders like you.. What should I say? We feel confident.. Thank you..
ADNAN OKTAR:May Allah grant beauty to all of us, may He grant salvation to us. May Allah grant us love. May Allah grant us all the blessing of seeing the beautiful days of the King Moshiach, of the Mahdi.
RABBI DAVID STAV: Amen.
ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah.. of seeing the time of the Mahdi..
RABBI HAIM DRUKMAN:We will definitely tell the people of Israel, what we've found here, what we've heard here.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha'Allah. Masha'Allah. You've honored us, you've brought us grace. We've been very happy, we thank you, we've been very pleased with your visit. Insha'Allah we'd like to see you again.
RABBI HAIM DRUKMAN:It is mutual.
ADNAN OKTAR:Thank you very much. Thank you.