The Evolution Deceit
Excerpt from Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Interview on A9 TV dated December 8th, 2011
Ms. DIDEM: Insha'Allah we will now have a telephone connection with Israel.
ADNAN OKTAR: With who?
Ms. DIDEM: With Israel.
ADNAN OKTAR: A telephone connection with Israel?
Ms. DIDEM: Yes. Mr. Moshe Amirav from Israel. He is the member of the former council of Jerusalem from the Likud Party and the advisor to the former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak at the time. He is considered to be among the most prominent specialists of the world on Jerusalem, by the international media and expert academicians in Middle East. Being the Head of the Beit Berl College in Israel, Amirav also gives lectureson Political Science in Hebrew University of Jerusalem.In the years 1981-1993 he worked closely with then Mayor of Jerusalem, on planning and development of the city. He worked in the Likud Party as the member of council of Jerusalem. He had served Ehud Barak who is now the Minister of Defence as an advisor during the time he was the Prime Minister. He has five books and many articles about Jerusalem.
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes, Masha'Allah. May Allah increase his knowledge even further. May Allah guide him. So let us talk to Mr. Moshe, okay. How are we going to do this now? Well.. As-Salamun Aleykom Mr. Moshe. How are you? Are you fine?
MOSHE AMIRAV: Thank you. I'm in Jerusalem now, and it's an honor to talk to you.
ADNAN OKTAR:How nice; I am also honored. How nice it is to be in Jerusalem. What a great blessing it is! Insha'Allah, we will also come to Jerusalem one day.
MOSHE AMIRAV: Yes, I'm hoping you will be able to be my guest in Jerusalem. I have been here many years, and I am living together with Palestinians, Muslims, Christians, and I love this city, and I think it should be the city for whoever believes in Allah, God, or Jesus Christ.
ADNAN OKTAR:Masha'Allah, masha'Allah. It is a city praised by Allah. Insha'Allah, Allah grants us the blessing of being altogether in the future.
Moshe also means Moses, right? Masha'Allah. Your name is also very beautiful. Iam listening to you, Mr. Moshe. Please begin with your questions.
MOSHE AMIRAV: Yes. The first question I would like to try and elaborate with you has to do with the relationship between Muslims and Jews. For many years, many years in Spain, Muslims and Jews lived together in what is called the Golden Time of Spain. And I think because of Christians, this history of co-existence stopped. Do you really think that we can come back to this Golden Age of good relationships between Muslims and Jews?
ADNAN OKTAR: The Golden Ageis explicitly how it is depicted in the Torah and our Prophet (saas) detailed in the hadith. In the time of Hazrat Mahdi (as), that is to say in the time of King Messiah, there will be the Golden Age. Other that this there is no mention of a Golden Age. We have already entered this period of a Golden Age. The Islamic world as well as the Christian and Jewish world have entered the edge of this age. Currently we are proceeding towards the midst of this period.
MOSHE AMIRAV: Yes. I also would like to ask you about the current relationship between the Israelis and the Muslim world concerning the Temple Mount, Haram Ash-Sharif. This is of much interest for me, because I think there is a solution, a political solution to satisfy the needs of Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims and Jews in this holy place for these two peoples. And I would like to know if you have any way of looking at the problem of the Haram Ash-Sharif?
ADNAN OKTAR:There is a convenient land in the Haram Ash-Sharif. There is a convenient area in the rear; that is to say, at the back of the empty space which exists in the middle of the two masjids. We will, Insha'Allah, establish the masjid of the Prophet Solomon (as) on that vast area and it will also protrude to the forward. By Allah's leave, by the leave of Almighty Allah. It will be built in just the form it is depicted, in its original form. This is also a portent of the coming of King Messiah and the entire world knows it. This is a very-well known subject. However, Jews will pray to Allah for King Messiah with love and sincerity. They must pray and say, “Almighty Lord! Send us Hazrat Mahdi (as) , send us King Messiah (as) and show him to us if You have already sent him.” Indeed, He must have already sent him and if they pray, Allah will show him. If Muslims also pray to Allah, Allah will show Hazrat Mahdi (as). Right now Allah is looking to us. He looks at the entire world. Allah observes us everywhere, in all corners of the world. Right now Allah sees both Jerusalem and Istanbul. Allah watches all corners of the world at all times and He listens to all speeches. Messiah is in the world right now. The King Messiah is in the world. Hazrat Mahdi (as) is in the world. In order for the Golden Age to come about, only good-intentioned, sincere, and honest people must join hand in hand. There is nothing else. They will love one another; positive and wise people who advocate friendship, brotherhood, peace, democracy, science and the arts must cooperate. The issue is about to be settled. That is to say, we have very little time left.
MOSHE AMIRAV: I am very happy to hear these things. It is a pleasure for me, because I am a believer, I believe in Allah, although I call Him with a different name. I believe that there is a destiny of peace in Jerusalem because Jerusalem is called in the Bible, “City of Peace”. But from my experience in Camp David, in the conference of [former Israeli] Prime Minister [Ehud] Barak, I was there, I was his assistant at the time, and I was with [former U.S.] President Clinton, I get the impression that people who don't believe in Allah wouldn't be able to find a political solution to Jerusalem. So since then, since this conference, I've been having contacts with religious people, Muslims and Christians and Jews in order to find a solution that has nothing to do with sovereignty. No flag of Israel should be at Haram Ash-Sharif, no flag of Palestine should be there, it should be the flag of Allah. And if this is the solution, then I believe Israelis and Palestinians can find a solution. What is your opinion about this idea?
ADNAN OKTAR:Excellent, excellent, excellent. I really liked what you have just said. Everybody has witnessed that neither peace nor love, nor economy can recover in the world with a materialist mindset, because people are not beings made up of metal or stone. They are beings made up of souls. And the soul cannot find ease in something other than the true religion. They cannot find ease in something other than the love of Allah; in anything other than the remembrance of Allah. Otherwise the world turns into Hell. In order to experience a world similar to Paradise people must love Allah with a profound love. And we do love Allah with a profound love But of course, we do not love Allah with love in order to turn this world into Paradise. The world turns into Paradise because we love Allah.
MOSHE AMIRAV: The last thing I would like to ask you about is the situation between Israel and Turkey. Just a few years ago, President Erdogan tried to negotiate between Israel and Syria, and also between Israel and the Palestinians, and I really hope that we'll have a mediator like Turkey in the peace agreement between us and the Palestinians. It is important for me, because I think that the Americans cannot be an honest broker, a mediator between us and Palestinians. We need a Muslim country, like Egypt or Turkey, which are our neighbors here, to help us with this. And I'm very disappointed that the relationship between Israel and Turkey deteriorated. So what can be done in order to improve the relationship between Israel and Turkey, and bring Turkey into the negotiations in the peace process between us and Palestinians?
ADNAN OKTAR: These kinds of contacts, these kinds of meetings have a very positive impact. The tension, the negative influence, that has recently come into existence has essentially dispersed. But this sort of work has been very instrumental; negotiations and public announcements [like we did] have become very beneficial. It seems that continuation of such works will cause a very perfect development. We see that it will be much better. Israel and Turkey must always remain in cooperation. They must cooperate in all issues. But in the absence of the King Messiah, without commitment to the King Messiah and Hazrat Mahdi (as), on the part of Israel and Turkey, it is almost impossible for Israel and Turkey to act together. It is also unlikely for peace in the region to reign, for the Golden Age to come into being. Let me say this explicitly. It is impossible. There will definitely be tension; there will be definitely be disorder. Both Muslims and Jews must wholeheartedly ask for King Messiah. Once this is done, we will see that Allah will help us. Because right now Allah watches us. Right now Allah listens to us; we are under Allah's control.
MOSHE AMIRAV: I am a professor in the university, Hebrew University, and I'm an academician and I was involved for many years in Israeli politics. But I think it's time now to have an academic, a political conference in Turkey with Israelis, Palestinians, Muslims, Jews and Christians to talk about peace in the Middle East; there have been so many changes now, that I think that Turkey should be hosting a conference like this, and I think you can help in having a meeting like this in Istanbul. With people from the region here; the Egyptians, Palestinians, Syrians, Israelis. I think my university can help by sending academics, and I think that you have the connections in Turkey to help academic, religious people and politicians in a conference like this. So I would be very pleased if you could help in organizing a meeting like this. I'm ready to help with my connections among the Palestinians, in Egypt and in other countries, and to have a conference in Turkey.
ADNAN OKTAR:We already made such a decision in the meeting we held in Istanbul with rabbis and the Christian clergymen. We have agreed on that for 2012. Currently our works related to this are in process. We have made a decision to hold such a meeting. We will be very glad if you also participate. Of course, these are the works that lay the foundations for the Mahdi, that is the King Messiah (pbuh). Such works lay a foundation and soften the air, but it does not cause us to obtain any results. That is to say, no results can be obtained. In the absence of the King Messiah and Hazrat Mahdi (as), no results can be obtained. But they make us approachtheresults and may lay a proper foundation. Possibilities may increase but the result, the final decision, that is to say, its being realized, can only be possible by means of Hazrat Mahdi (as). That is because, if 1,000 wise people come together, they do not make up a single Hazrat Mahdi (as) or King Messiah. The world must, in any case, be administered by a soul, by King Messiah, Hazrat Mahdi (as). Other than that there exists no peace, no abundance in the world. Pain and suffering will continue. We also see this in Torah. We also see this in the hadith of our Prophet (saas). This is an evident fact.
MOSHE AMIRAV: Yes. I'm very happy to hear it, and I appreciate it if we can have this conference, and advance peace and belief in Allah, in this conference, and in the end I would like to invite you to Jerusalem to be my guest. I would be very happy if you can come with a delegation from Turkey, people who are academics, journalists, and people who are believers in Islam from Turkey to come to Jerusalem; I would be ready to organize it, and help us all to meet with Muslims, Christians, and Jews from Jerusalem, and then, this is my hope, we will have peace through the Will of Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: We love you very much. We love the sons of Prophet Moses (as), Prophet Abraham (as) and Prophet Israel (as). May your hearts be at ease. We, as Turks, have profound compassion for you. We also know that the cooperation between Turkey and Israel is very important. In the leadership of the King Messiah, under the leadership of Hazrat Mahdi (as), we will have a very strong leadership. We will experience that Golden Age related in the Torah and the hadith altogether in the whole region, Insha'Allah. This century is the century of this beautiful Golden Age. The establishment of Israel as a state is also an explicit portent of the coming of King Messiah. It is a clear portent in the Torah. This means that King Messiah has come. This means that we are in his age. Insha'Allah, we will celebrate those beautiful days altogether in Israel. Insha'Allah, we will come and I present my love and respect to you.
MOSHE AMIRAV:Yes, yes. I don't have anymore questions, but I have a very deep from my heart blessing to all good people, to all the Turkish people, we Israelis, we love Turkey and the Turkish people, and really hope that we can pray together to Allah for peace in the region here, in the Middle East, in which Israel and Turkey for many years have been friends, and we will always be friends, and this is my hope.
ADNAN OKTAR: I also thank you. If possible,I want to hear from you to ask Allah for the coming of the King Messiah.
MOSHE AMIRAV: Yes, definitely, definitely. So again, I would like to thank you for inviting me to your program, I hope to see you in Jerusalem, or maybe we can meet in Istanbul, insha'Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. Insha'Allah, we will be awaiting. Greetings.
MOSHE AMIRAV:Absolutely. And thank you very much; goodbye and goodnight.
ADNAN OKTAR: Good bye.